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I love this Amendment. In fact I love all of the amendments. However, I love this one because it allows us to own weapons that the government have. So I can buy a tank if I want and the government can't do anything about it. Because the 2nd amendment states that I can. Now I would love to own guns, for one reason only; To protect my family. Other than that, I wouldn't use guns for any other purpose. I might go hunting, but that depends.

But I support the 2nd amendment 100% and I hate gun bans. Because if everyone is armed and allowed to carry assult weapons around where ever they go, then people wouldn't go out and shoot other people. Because then they might get shot themselves. That's why gin bans DO NOT WORK! Because all they do is allow lawless people to do whatever they want. So that is why we can not allow gun bans.
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Weegeetnik Featured By Owner 6 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
Guns have changed since 1792, what about mentalities ?
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SoFDMC Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well said. I had this image bouncing around in my head for a while until I decided to sketch it out:

2nd Amendment by SoFDMC

Mark Passio: The True Meaning and Purpose of the 2nd Amendment: www.youtube.com/watch?v=diz-8F…
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soulessone12 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2014
ok please explain the well regulated militia part
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monstine Featured By Owner Edited Oct 4, 2014
Even in college this is being put down let me tell you. Suffice to say that led me to have a disagreement with my religious studies teacher.
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Artizdak Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014
I love this amendment so much! As for gun bans, I am a yes and no on the subject. This amendment must be protected!
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PAPhilly Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
I am all for the Second Amendment wholeheartedly, don’t get me wrong, but a lot of people seem to forget the first clause guarantees that the states’ have a right to a militia independent of the federal government. Basically what I’m getting at is that the John Warner Defense Act of 2007 is a terrible thing and should be repealed immediately as unconstitutional.

Also, gun control doesn’t work; history has shown this multiple times. And when it DOES work, it’s always used to oppress the people, not stop crime.
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I support the 2nd amendment because gun-control groups fail to see one clear fact; bad people will always get guns regardless of what happens. What needs to be fixed is the mental health system so there's less likely chances of mass shootings, but I could be wrong and that's what I think.
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SteamRailwayCompany Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Ronald Reagan once said "You won't get gun control by disarming law-abiding citizens. There's only one way to get real gun control: Disarm the thugs and the criminals, lock them up, and if you don't actually throw away the key, at least lose it for a long time."
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Fujin777 Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Indeed!
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NurseBoobies Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2013
When government takes citizen's rights to bear arms, it becomes citizen's duty to take government's right to govern - George Washington
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aceking90 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013
So you think I should own tank? Well how about a nuclear bomb or an air craft carrier?
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013
The second Amendment allows us to be armed. If the government can use a tank, the citizen should be able to buy a tank. But of course buying a tank cost a lot of money. So as long you can save enough money you can buy military weapons.
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ArkAngelX120 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
Well, John Wayne bought a battleship.

Of course, you need to have that kind of dough.
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joshuarmour15 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I like you.
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aceking90 Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2013
That's insane, who would want the people who owns Wall Mart or McDonalds to be able to wage full scale war. Besides what you gun nuts always forget is that you are only allowed to bare as part of a well orginized militia.
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Alpha-12 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013
Why would Walmart get tanks? They're overkill for security, are very expensive to buy and maintain plus they'd be taken out pretty quickly by the military considering DC has the luxury to take 100 percent of our pay checks if it wants too.
Regulated at the time meant equipped, and militia's are armed citizens, not the military. And I dare you to join the ATF, stack up on the doors of those who will defend their freedoms and go in first if you support gun confiscation so wholeheartedly. Sandy Hook, although a tragedy, didn't nearly kill as many people as Wounded Knee, where over 300 Indians were murdered in a gun confiscation attempt.
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aceking90 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013
No a regulated militia meant one that was ran by the state or the nation. The militia was part of the military. Also Walmart would only need a dozen or so tanks then when ever some one goes on strike and pickets in front of one of their stores they can just claims self defense and run their workers down. Secondly Wounded Knee was about removing native Americans off of their land not weapon removal. Thirdly no one is trying to take away all of your guns, just the ones you don't need and shouldn't have, like an artomatic rifle because when the second amandment was made they hide single shot weapons that took over a minuet to reload. 
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Alpha-12 Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2013
Look it up, they were attempting to disarm the Indians first so they wouldn't resist. Also, who would want an automatic? The recoil makes it VERY hard to aim, that's why the M16 went from "rock and roll" to "3-round burst." Plus it depletes ammo very quickly, so it's just good for suppressive fire. And if you want to change the Constitution, I suggest you draft an amendment. Since the Internet wasn't around during 1775, the logical conclusion would be for the government to censor DeviantArt if it pleases.
Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Pol Pot, Gaddafi and Mao introduced gun control-look how well that worked out.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The real reason why our elected representatives want to disarm the public is so they can stay in power, 'cause the idea of the 2nd amendment is for the people to be able to defend themselves against tyranny. People should be able to have guns and anthropoligically speaking, armed murder is less likely to happen as a result, and I have little to no interest in guns, nor do I desire to ever own one.
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aceking90 Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2013
Our representatives already stay in power because idiots keep voting for the same guy over and over no matter how bad he is.
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joeisbadass Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Unfortunate but true
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welcometothedarksyde Featured By Owner May 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Unrealistic views are what fuel anti 2nd amendment talks. Just having a gun doesn't make you use it. And it won't make you commit a killing spree. Criminals will get their guns illegally anyway. Not to mention that criminals would prefer to attack an unarmed populace obviously.
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
Try telling that to the Liberals who want to ban guns. They think that just having guns make people want to go out to killing people.
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welcometothedarksyde Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And the rest of us facepalm
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texaswoodworker Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
Statistics for 2011

323 murders committed with a rifle (Includes all types of rifles)

496 murders committed with a blunt object.

728 murders committed with bare hands or feet.

1,694 murders committed with a knife

Source: FBI

Semi auto rifles are not an issue. They are very rarely used in crimes.
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texaswoodworker Featured By Owner May 7, 2013
Australia and the UK both have extremely strict gun laws. Lets look at their crime rates.

2011 Annual violent crime rate for UK - 120.73 crimes per every 10,000 people.

2010 Annual violent crime rate for Australia - 91.44 crimes per every 10,000 people.

Now, lets compare those rates to the US who has MUCH looser gun laws.

2011 Annual violent crime rate for US - 38.60 crimes per every 10,000 people.

Imagine that, countries with stricter gun control laws have higher crime rates.

Now let's focus on the US alone.

Chicago, and Washington D.C. have some of the strictest gun control laws in the US. Lets see how their crime rates compare to the rest of the nation.

2012 Annual violent crime rate for Chicago - 103.27 crimes per every 10,000 people.

2011 Annual violent crime rate for Washington D.C. - 120.21 crimes per 10,000 people.

That's looks pretty bad compared to the much smaller nation average doesn't it? I guess those gun laws just aren't working for them. If you look at other cities and states with anti gun laws, you will see the same thing.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Professional Photographer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…

You might notice that although USA is far from worst, the fact that only countries that are worse than USA are those with drug cartels in them. 

Even SERBIA and MONTENEGRO have less firearm related deaths than USA, and that tells you how bad it is. 
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Professional Photographer
I call bullshit. 


The average annual number of handgun deaths in the 5-year period before the legislation was put in place in Australia was only a little over 500. In the United States, the total number of hand gun deaths (1980-2006) is more than 32,000 per year. Firearms are involved in 68% of homicides, 52% of suicides, 43% of robberies, and 21% of aggravated assaults. With 60 times the number of deaths (and a similar number of families devastated) time will tell if the American people and politicians have the will to overcome the powerful lobbies of gun owners and manufacturers that have created the current gun climate and will resist change violently. There are currently estimated to be 310 million non-military firearms within the U.S, nearly one for every man, woman and child, but are controlled by a mere 35% of the population. If you add the firearms in military possession the number goes much higher. With this vast quantity of guns, even if legislation is passed tomorrow which encourages a reduction in this enormous supply of firearms and ammunition, it may take decades before the full benefits are seen. But Australia has shown that the benefits are out there if only we have the bravery, dedication and fortitude to try to achieve them.
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Nice try though. Trying to limit numbers in USA by excluding some of most used firearms and then comparing it to countries that don't even have insane number of automatic weapons as USA. 

Face it, buddy - most of you Americans are overgrown, spoiled brats who pull the gun out as soon as somebody doesn't hand you what you want. I wouldn't trust you with a stack of paper, even less so with deadly weapon. My country went through a period of civil war and we have more weapons than half of the Europe put together yet we don't kill each other as you idiots do. 

Lemme guess - you're republican and proud NRA member, right?
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texaswoodworker Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013

NRA member? Yes. Republican? No. I'm an independent with strong Libertarian beliefs.

 

Exactly where are you getting your 35% estimate? There is no gun registry, so the exact number of gun owners is impossible to calculate. Even more so since the number of gun owners have sky rocketed in recent years (based on the rise in the number of background checks done through NICS)

 

According to the FBI US Government, and the Centers for Disease Control, the weapon used the most in violent crimes is not a gun. It's a baseball bat.

Firearm Homicides - 11,463

NON Firearm Homicides - 16,799

Unintentional Falls - 24,792

Drug Abuse - 25,500

Unintentional Poisoning - 31,758

Motor Vehicle Accident - 34,485

Alcohol Abuse - 107,400

Unintentional Injuries - 118,021

Medical Errors - 195,000

Tobacco - 529,000

 

You are MUCH more likely to be killed by your own doctor, than you are by a gun.

 

Now then, as for Australia. Are you aware that Australia's violent crime rate is much greater than that of the USA's? Are you aware that there was a distinctive spike in crime after the gun bans were passed? Are you aware that the police are currently having trouble with criminals getting machine guns?

Criminals don't follow laws. Only law abiding citizens do.

 

Did you know that people who go through the process of getting a CCL (Concealed Carry License) are usually some of the most responsible citizens? The overwhelming majority (around 99%) will never commit a violent crime.

Pulling a gun on someone for not giving me what I want? That's call armed robbery, and is one of the reasons I carry a gun. See, we Americans have the right to defend ourselves. If we are put into a situation like that where are lives are in danger, we have the right to neutralize that threat. Most of the time, the presence of the gun is enough to defuse the situation. A CCL holder will rarely have to fire a shot.

Are you aware that in America, that guns are used 80x more to protect a life than to take one?

 

Here's a few more facts for you.

Women use guns 200,000 times a year to prevent sexual assault.

60% of Felons say they would not mess with an armed citizen.

An analysis of FBI statistics have shown that laws allowing concealed carry have reduced the number of murders by 8.5%, the number of rapes by 5%, the number of aggravated assaults by 7% and the number of robberies by 3%.

Gun free zones create an easy target for mass shooters. The vast majority of mass shootings (almost all) have taken place in a gun free zone where it is illegal for a law abiding citizen to arm themselves for their protection. Funny how mass shooters never target gun rich environments like gun shows, NRA conventions, and gun ranges.

 

Police vs Citizens

There are 794,300 police officers in America, and untold millions of gun owners.

The police have an 11.3% error rate. Citizens have a 2% error rate.

The average number of deaths caused by a shooting rampage when stopped by police is 14.3. The average number of deaths caused by a shooting rampage when stopped by a citizen is 2.3.

Police kill 606 violent criminals each year. Citizens kill 1,527 violent criminals each year.

 

I could go on, but I think you get the point of my argument.

 

Overgrown spoiled brats? Idiots? Ahh, person insults. That's REALLY making your argument strong :insert sarcasm:

Why don't you try being respectful instead?

 

 

 

 

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blackstrike Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Professional Photographer
OK, let me be clear on the sublect: CCL is a great thing, I agree - everyone should have ability to carry a weapon to defend themselves. I just prefer that it is not an assault rifle. As far as I'm concerned, main problem in USA is ability to buy crapload of firearms, some of which are quite serious hardware capable of harming a great number of people in short period of time.

As far as I'm concerned, every TRAINED ADULT should be able to purchase 1 semiautomatic handgun and certain amount of ammo.

If you need more weapons than that, you need a shrink. We're not talking about action figures collection here - if you want a crapload of weapons, you're need help.

NOBODY aside from military/police needs assault weapons. Again, as far as I'm concerned, anyone caught having assault rifle should be stuck in jail for 10 years, hard work included. Easy way to get criminal bastards off the streets and get them to repay their debt back to society.

Aside from my 2 cents, here are some interesting links for you, although I doubt they will change your mind...


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www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w…

I particularly like #8. Duh!

8. More guns tend to mean more homicide.

The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found that there’s substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you’re looking at different countries or different states. Citations here.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…


For this one, you just can't ignore the fact that ONLY countries worse in firearm related deaths are those with strong drug cartels. Even countries as former Yugoslavia, who had civil war and have extremely high number of personal firearms have lower death rate than USA. If that is not troubling, I don't know what is.

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www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12…


Good news is, you are getting better in driving. Bad news is, you still don't know how to handle a gun.

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smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-an…


This one speaks for itself.

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And here's the last fact to consider - we're only talking about DEATHS here. How many more were wounded, sometimes quite seriously but survived? I believe that would significantly increase number of people who suffered due to lax gun laws.


Live long and prosper.



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texaswoodworker Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013

So what makes you think that owning more than one gun means your crazy? Millions of people on more than one gun. They use them for sport, hunting, and fun. I own plenty (including the type you want banned). I don't want to hurt anyone.

They also use them for self defense. I know plenty of people who have multiple guns for concealed carry. They'll chose larger ones in the winters when their choice of clothing makes them easier to conceal, and they'll choose smaller ones in the summer.

 

"Assault Weapons" are NOT an issue. The media presents them in a false light. The are rarely used in crimes, used a lot for self defense, and used mostly for sporting purposes.

Most police officers agree with me.

www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislat…

www.policeone.com/Gun-Legislat…

That figure you called BS? That came from the FBI.

www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/…

(BTW, look at the numbers. California which has extremely strict gun laws and an "assault weapons" ban has more murders, and more murders caused by rifles (including ALL types of rifle) than Texas which has no "assault weapons" ban or strict antigun laws.)

California - 1,790 murders. 45 caused by rifles.

Texas - 1,089 murders. 37 caused by rifles.

 

More guns equal more homicide? The facts prove that to be pure BS.

Gun ownership has skyrocketed since the 1990s. Gun are being produced faster than ever before. Using your logic, this means that violent crime and murder has also skyrocketed. Let's look at the numbers.

1993 - Violent crime rate was 747.1 per 100,000 and the murder/nonnegligent manslaughter rate was 9.5 per 100,000.

2000 - Violent crime rate was 506.5 per 100,000 and the murder/nonnegligent manslaughter rate was 5.5 per 100,000.

2011 - Violent crime rate was 386.3 per 100,000 and the murder/nonnegligent manslaughter rate was 4.7 per 100,000.

www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/…

www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/…

 

Wikipedia? Not what I'd call reliable. Most of those countries you talk about have strict gun control too. As for the cartels, I wonder why they are able to kill so many people. Maybe because the citizens can't arm themselves and defend themselves?

Smartgunlaws.org? Extremely biased source (notice I'm using the FBI, other federal agencies, and police sites for my sources. They aren't biased.). I will like to point out that while guns are used in a lot of suicides, they do not cause them. Look at Japan as an example. They have extremely strict gun laws and a higher suicide rate than the USA. If people want to kill themselves, they will find a way.  

Bloomberg? Take out the stats for suicide (see above) and that number changes drastically.

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ArkAngelX120 Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2014
To begin with, the term "assault weapon" is invalid because the word "assault" cannot be an adjective. In fact, the firearms classification "assault rifle" is incorrect and should be reclassified as automatic rifles. And the "weapon" part of that dubious phrase can mean anything that is used to attack another person. 

So are we calling beer bottles "assault bottles" because they can be turned into Molotov cocktails?
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bloodsword34 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2013
this is what i think about your 2nd amendment *wiping my ass with it*
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Marzipanzers Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay.  Enjoy North Korea! :wave:
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Zach-USA Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013
You're not an American then
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joshuarmour15 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
He's Australian. 
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Zach-USA Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013
makes perfect sense
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
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bloodsword34 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2013
if your ignoring it why did you comment
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001ef Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Professional General Artist
this is true. OwO
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Jack-of-all-blades Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This... [link] explains how the 2nd Amendment works. ( F-bomb warning)

This... [link] explains how anti-gun people think gun control works.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2013  Professional Photographer
Yes, but who in his/hers sane mind needs an assault rifle? Where's the limit? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for regular folks to have access to handguns, but we need to remove assault rifles and similar kind of weapons from general population.

I'ev seen first hand what a bunch of weapons does to a country full of stressed out people.
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texaswoodworker Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2013
"Assault weapons" are not a problem. Less than 400 people each year are killed with rifles of ALL kinds.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2013  Professional Photographer
"Less than 400 people each year are killed with rifles of ALL kinds."

Yeah, that's bullshit.
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joshuarmour15 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer

A semi-auto pistol can't mow down an oncoming mob.  The limit is where your money ends.  Why is it legal for companies to have automatic weapons but not individuals?  The laws for gun control says one thing:  the people can not govern themselves and must be governed by a strong, central government. 

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blackstrike Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Professional Photographer
You should change your name to Sheep15 instead. Your strong, central government will do that for you anyway one day.
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joshuarmour15 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer

Explain how I am a sheep.  Is it because I think that if a big company can have automatics it should be legal for individuals?  Or because I believe that putting a limit on what you can use to defend yourself is wrong?  Or is it because I disagree with your viewpoint?  I do not like the idea of a strong, central government.  Is that what makes me a sheep?

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blackstrike Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Professional Photographer
So, you prefer small groups of well armed, independent people? Jeez, what could go wrong? I mean, it's not like human beings are greedy, egoistical, fear-mongering, arrogant, selfish and occasionally, stupid. 

and I'll agree with you on one thing - big companies SHOULDN'T have automatics. Those should be reserved solely for army/police. As far as I'm concerned, law should state that anyone caught possession one should be immediately sentenced to several years in prison with hard work included. Just level the playground, you know?

Average human doesn't need anything more than semi-automatic gun or hunting rifle. It's not like most of us still goes to forest to hunt for a meal, McCrap and Bloat King already took care of that. 

What makes you a sheep is that you believe that humans are responsible. You believe that all humans have the restraint not to abuse that kind of power that comes with possessing a weapon of mass murder. Yeah, we saw how that works in USA - every weak ther's a mass shooting somewhere. Good job. Give 'em more ammo and better guns and problem should solve itself! Real fuckin' genius.
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joshuarmour15 Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer

I support the division of the population of America into small, manageable units that govern themselves.  Each one would contribute to our national defense should the need arise (invasion, the government trying to seize power (We've never seen that happen.  Especially in Germany.) riots, etc) just as it was done in when my country was founded.  The military is divided in that form.  Anyone who owns a weapon for any purpose than personal defense would be ingrained into the military system, so if he has the money to do so, he can buy a tank and it could be used to help quell a riot in, say, Montana.  The neighborhoods would have their own militia, funded by the neighborhood as they see fit, for the purpose of defending the neighborhood.  Weapons would be bought by families to defend the families.  Each city would have its own military leaders and funding.  They would be part of counties with the same thing.  This would continue up to the national level where the leader of these militias would be the commander in chief.  The president SHOULD BE our commander in chief.

 

You honestly think the police should be trusted above citizens?  Either you don't live in a police state or you support their brutality.

 

Average humans don't need a baseball bat, the most used weapon in assault or a car, which leads to far more deaths than guns.

 

So I am a sheep because I don't agree with your viewpoint.  I am a sheep for believing that the majority of people are responsible for their own actions and that those who use their free agency wrong should be forced to pay the consequences by losing what they have taken or paying back the one that they harmed.  (murder? lose life.  Steal? pay back double what you would have taken.  Rape?  Well, that just isn't something that should be discussed in an open chat like this.)

And where do mass shootings happen?  Gun free zones.  Oh, so gun free zones lead to mass shootings?  Let's make it harder for the law abiding citizens to get them.  Yeah, "Real fuckin' genius."  By the way, using said language makes you look less intelligent.  By insulting me, you lost respect.  By cussing at me, you have lost any credibility I previously had credited you.

 

Mass shootings are on the decline, not rise.  Police often turn a single murder into a mass shooting.

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blackstrike Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2013  Professional Photographer
You support separation of your country in smaller enclaves? How stupid are you anyway? You people had a civil war so you can unite and even now you butthurt southern idiots that lost the war still talk about separation and division?

You and your ilk still live in 1700's. Try to grow a pair and become a human being of 21st century, please. This isn't "every cave for themselves" anymore, Mr. Caveman. If you had ounce of gray matter in your head, you'd fight for unity in your country where everyone helps each other to live a better life. Instead, you'd rather introduce more borders between humans?

I admit, you're not a sheep. They're far smarter than you and your kind, bub. Get back in your compound and clutch your rifle tight, bub. Big, bad, government is out there and they're coming for you! :D

And by the way, what you propose isn't a police run state, it is MILITARY DICTATORSHIP, similar to ones that were in Lybia and Iraq, for example. You know, those guys you Yanks wanted so desperately to take off the throne - Saddam Hussein and Muammar Ghaddafi?
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