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Founding Fathers by Balddog4 Founding Fathers by Balddog4
I've heard people say that the Founding Fathers were not Christians. I just want to say that statement is false and incorrect. The Founding Fathers were God fearing men. They worship God and went to church, they study the Bible. In fact I believe that both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S Constitution were inspired from God. And that is why I consider the Founding Fathers Christians.
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Amerifilpatriot Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2014  New member
Many belonged into certain Christian denominations, but most of them were Deists, and most especially they're secularists & religious skeptics. You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't demolish the reality that they're not Christians (some were however). 

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it’s a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”
~Founding Father Benjamin Franklin, letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church." 
~ Founding Father Thomas Paine

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."
~ Founding Father Thomas Paine

"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels, condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are the forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because suspected of heresy? Remember the 'index expurgatorius', the inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter and the guillotine." 
~ Founding Father John Adams to John Taylor

The United States' political foundation & founding principles were firmly inspired by ancient Greek & Roman thought, the Founding Fathers desired to establish a republic which is representative democracy that safeguards the rights of all, especially the rights of minorities. The Constitution had borrowed inspirations from ancient Greek & Roman ideas, Native American tribes, and the English Magna Carta. America is a secular country, and was originally intended by its founders to become a society guided by reason & ideas of liberty, equality, and fraternity.
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DBEEERS Featured By Owner May 15, 2014
Very true.
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MYthology1 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014
Every time I see a picture of all of them, I'm like: "Guys! I can't tell any of you apart! Get haircuts!"
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SanShine3 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
"no matter what you say they are..." that phrase alone should show you that you are trying to construct a reality as you wish it to be.
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014
Except for Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson. Franklin was a deist while Jefferson was a heretic who believed that Jesus was not the Son of God. Now I'm not trying to contradict you. I'm with you and I support you.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Technically many were deist, others were atheist. 
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Stevenator-20xx Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They were Deists. They believe in a God who created the universe and dosen't intervene with it and left it to govern on its own perfectly with Laws Of Nature

It did say in the D.O.I. 

"Laws of Nature and of Nature's God"
"Creator"
"Supreme Judge of the world"

They don't believe in the bible and there are quotes by them as evidence they don't believe in Christianity. Including George Washington, Thomas Paine (In his book Age of Reason), Ben Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and lots more.
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
You can say that again!
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Young-stoaty-chap Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Actually, they were mostly atheists or secular theists. America needs to ge back to its atheist roots.
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Calypsoeclipse Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
The Constitution had borrowed ideas from ancient Rome, Greece, Judeo Christian belief the Magna Carta and houses of parliament in Britain, the Mayflower compact and New England's "town meeting" style of self rule. 
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codyrush Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Student Filmographer
uh...actually the declaration was inspired by the thinkers of the Enlightenment age such as Montesquieu, Paine, and Locke, among many others. It was a confabulation of humanist philosophy; and while the founding fathers were, many of them, monotheists, some were merely theists and some agnostic. The number is still subject to historical speculation, debate and research: but, one thing is clear, they were adamant that their religions and the government should be separate.

""During almost fifteen centuries the legal establishment of Christianity has been upon trial. What has been its fruits?
More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy;ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition,
bigotry, and persecution." James Madison

“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” Thomas Jefferson
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Mathpod Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2013  Student Writer
The declaration of independence and the constitution were all inspired by THE REST OF THE WORLD. U.S. roots are in the UK, France, Germany, Spain.
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Waracki99 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2013
Yeah and they also freemason!
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PaladinMagnus Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
FOUNDING FATHERS

No matter what you say they believe in separation of church and state.
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deathknight-kdd Featured By Owner May 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Being a Christian, I agree with this. We may have good intentions but we're only human. We abuse it when we're given too much power. Christianity and other religions are personal things, and American stands for that.
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PaladinMagnus Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
Glad to see you understand; more need to understand that the US is secular and has been since it's beginning. Freedom and Liberty is always corrupted when a single ideology rules over the government and land. This country is for any and all who seek freedom; no matter of belief, no matter what culture or skin color. Sooner people understand this the better.
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deathknight-kdd Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Glad to see more people on here with their heads on straight. I understand all this debate, but when it just turns to nasty mudslinging it bugs me. We live in a free country and we can believe in what we want, and while we can argue our ideas' validity, you shouldn't hate or attack someone because of them.
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RednBlackSalamander Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, no, not all of them. Quite a few, but not all. Some were deists and that is indisputable historical fact. Not that it makes any difference, after all, the best thing about the Founders wasn't that they were Christian. It was that they were smart enough to realize that a democratic system of government should be religiously neutral. Hence, the First Amendment and separation of Church and state.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Professional Photographer
Ignorance and stupidity at it's worst. Pup, how low can you fall?
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To be fair, most like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were deists.
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ZGMF-X42S Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
I can believe that. :nod:
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What about rumors of them being masons or that George Washington was revered as some god in the Capital?
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The masons believe in God, and follow the same basic Christian/Catholic principles.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aren't they the illumanati?
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
no, Illuminati are a conspiracy theorist construct to explain coincidence and false assumptions...Masons have nothing to do with any of that stuff trust me.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So, it's false to assume that someone does worship the devil? I think there are people who actually do have secret handshakes do rituals. How can you account for that? :confused:

I thought Masons work their way to heaven.
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Lots of people work their way to heaven, its called not being an asshole...Im sure there are a number of cults out their claiming to be one thing or another. Masons are not a devil worshiping organization I can guarantee you that...saying the founding fathers were Masons is no different than claiming they were all boy scouts...
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So why is there a secrecy? Why do they not allow certain faiths to go into their places?
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ever thought they are a secret society just to make themselves seem cooler....just trust me, people tend to over think the masons.
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frankteller Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
They supported freedom of, and from, religion. I don't care if they went to church.
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Haze3P0 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Even if they were Christian, they never wanted a Christian nation. They knew about the religious strife and wars in Europe caused by state sponsored religion. We see it even today the consequences of government and religion in one package with the Taliban in Afghanistan and in Iran. The whole reason Puritans came to the New World was to escape that establish Anglican Church in England and make their own established religion. So did the Catholics in Maryland and the Quakers in Pennsylvania. They put it in the Constitution to prevent the government (federal, it would take awhile until that was incorporated to the states) from sponsoring any religion and discriminating against any religion, so that we don't become like England and have a state-sponsored religion that everyone, regardless of belief, pay taxes too.

Personally, I don't care what they believe in. Don't care if they believed in nothing, God, Zeus, or Satan. They helped build this nation that I live in today and put freedoms in our great document to protect us from an overreaching, authoritarian government (before people saying we are living in a authoritarian country. Don't care, that is not the discussion.). That's all I care.
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Kamackazi Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Ohhh praise Satan , and eat a goat for Jesus. God was on Mars that weekend playing golf with Cthulu.
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Ravajava Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
I'm curious, do you have anything better to do in your life, than saying strange, random and unnecessary comments on my deviation? Like I said I'm curious.
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Kamackazi Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes, I just like to see these strange religious political things you post . I enjoy them . I dont agree , but I dont always read things I agree with . I really mean no harm , but Im a huge fan of the Dada movement , and dont believe in bronze age sky gods.Really if I annoy Ill stop. I just dont understand folks that only wish to preach to the choir. Well back to Hell.
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
What is the Dada movement? If you don't mind me asking.
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Kamackazi Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
A reaction among artists after WW1 that eventually evolved into surrealism.
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Ravajava Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, the question remains, why does that matter? Just because the founding fathers were Christian doesn't mean that they didn't want the United States to be secular. It is likely that they saw the fighting between Christians and Protestants in Europe, and not wanting a repeat of that drafted a constitution that aimed to create a secular state. Perhaps they were unaware of the fact that Muslims, Jews and Sikh's would come along later, but hey, I'm sure they would have been fine with them as well.

Either way, from my research, their isn't any historical unanimity as to what their religions where. While we can agree that they were Christian, I think they probably would have adhered to a Christian belief system is opposition to what those Christian arguments were used for. Being men of the enlightenment, extremists for that matter, it is unlikely that they were 'god fearing' strict Christian, but instead held science and rational thought in higher regard.

But I digress. And the end of the day, no one should be debating over what some men with wooden teeth said some 250 years ago. They couldn't predict the huge societal shifts that have happened for better or worse, and I imagine that if they did live today, they would probably have assumed very different world views from that that they held in 1776.
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MrAustin390 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
Does it really matter whether they were Christian or not?
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
People are always saying that America wasn't founded by Christian people. That America wasn't even a Christian nation. I'm just telling them that America was and will always be a Christian Nation. No matter what they say.
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Overlord299 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
Actually, America isn't a Christian nation. As out lined by Article Eleven of the treaty of Tripoli:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
It said the Government not the culture. Then the government didn't lord over the poeple the way they do now. Plus the Constitution was there to protect Christianity, not limit it.
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Alvin-York Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
Sure, it doesn't matter what I say, but what about what credible sources say? The whole business about Paine, Jefferson, and Madison I wrote below doesn't really jive with the idea of us being a Christian nation.
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Freakin-Ninja Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Thomas Paine, a prominent founding father, was a Deist. Benjaman Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were what's known as anti-clerical Christians, in that they believed the core beliefs of Christianity but rejected the leadership of the church.


Do you do any research before you make these images?
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Alvin-York Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Not all of them were Christian (or at least committed ones). Thomas Paine had only six attendants at his funeral due to his attacks on Christianity. Thomas Jefferson rewrote the Bible, omitting any references to Jesus' divinity or miracles. Madison was interested in deism and didn't pay much attention to religious matters.
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cinnamon-sheep Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Student Digital Artist
But you saying that they're wrong and then not backing up your opinion with facts makes you technically wrong too unless one of you is proven right :/ Real hard evidence too, none of this 'I believe it in my heart to be true' stuff. And why should it matter? You're happy, I'm happy, why does them being Christian mean anything at the end of the day?
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IND-conservative Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Like the picture you got there.
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
Hee:D
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Tohokari-Steel Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013
Even Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, who were esentially secular, acted more religious than most Christians these days.
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TwatWaffless Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is basically the most hilarious comment ever. Franklin was a creepy, dirty, old man. Was until his dying day, ain't no shame in that game. Not to say he wasn't brilliant or anything, just historically speaking, dirty old man.
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