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I've heard people say that the Founding Fathers were not Christians. I just want to say that statement is false and incorrect. The Founding Fathers were God fearing men. They worship God and went to church, they study the Bible. In fact I believe that both the Declaration of Independence and the U.S Constitution were inspired from God. And that is why I consider the Founding Fathers Christians.
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OddGarfield Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Hens the motto America holds today, "One Nation Under god".
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2015
'The Constitution is made for a MORAL and RELIGOUS people. It is wholly INADEQUITE to the government of any other.' - John Adams.

And the very first Right that is given by the Bill of Rights is Religion.
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sakpalamey Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That was an age when women were accused of witchcraft, homosexuality was a crime, abortion was forbidden, blasphemy and treason was hanged and quartered.
You can leave out the christian part of it.
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bcollins39302 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 3, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Hmmmm


"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church.--- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

"Priests and conjurors are of the same trade."--- Thomas Paine

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistant that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."--- Thomas Paine Age of Reason

"My parents had early given me religious impressions, and brought me through my childhood piously in the Dissenting way. But I was scarce fifteen, when, after doubting by turns several points as I found them disputed in the different books I read, I began to doubt of the Revelation itself. Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of the sermons which had been preached at Boyle’s Lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them. For the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to be much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."--- Benjamin Franklin from his Autobiography


"It will be said, perhaps, that God permits evil Actions to be done, for wise Ends and Purposes. But this Objection destroys itself; for whatever an infinitely good God hath wise Ends in suffering to be, must be good, is thereby made good, and cannot be otherwise." Benjamin Franklin The Writings of Benjamin Franklin: Boston and London, 1722 – 1726 — A Dissertation on Liberty and Necessity, Pleasure and Pain.


"Say nothing of my religion. It is known to my god and myself alone."--- Thomas Jefferson

"May it [the Declaration of Independence] be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God. These are grounds of hope for others. For ourselves, let the annual return of this day [July 4th] forever refresh our recollections of these rights, and an undiminished devotion to them...." Thomas Jefferson on the 50th anniversary of the declaration's signing 

"The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses."--- John Adams A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America (1787-88)

Note the last quote is EXACTLY what you are doing. The founding fathers expressly did not want people to attribute the American Revolution as an act of god.
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VikingPoneSwordsgirl Featured By Owner Edited Mar 3, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Lol, NO.

Most of the founding fathers were deists. This is common knowledge, and should be, especially if you would've done your research and read some of what they wrote. They rejected the concepts of Christianity all the time actually; if they were people living in modern times you probably would've slated them as "libturds" or something equally short-sited because they dared to question your religion.

"No matter what you say they are Christians"-- welp, insistence and ignorance are bliss I guess. How come with Americans if you don't believe in the right religion you're not patriotic enough? I can see why my boyfriend wants to move to my more secular country..

Why would separation of church and state exist if America was supposed to be some sort of Christian Dictatorship? It is MEANT to be an unbiased democracy. Even "one nation under God" was forced on Americans due to rabid Christians in the public who refused to have it any other way.
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Amerifilpatriot Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2014
Many belonged into certain Christian denominations, but most of them were Deists, and most especially they're secularists & religious skeptics. You may have a different opinion, but that doesn't demolish the reality that they're not Christians (some were however). 

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it’s a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”
~Founding Father Benjamin Franklin, letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church." 
~ Founding Father Thomas Paine

"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."
~ Founding Father Thomas Paine

"What havoc has been made of books through every century of the Christian era? Where are fifty gospels, condemned as spurious by the bull of Pope Gelasius? Where are the forty wagon-loads of Hebrew manuscripts burned in France, by order of another pope, because suspected of heresy? Remember the 'index expurgatorius', the inquisition, the stake, the axe, the halter and the guillotine." 
~ Founding Father John Adams to John Taylor

The United States' political foundation & founding principles were firmly inspired by ancient Greek & Roman thought, the Founding Fathers desired to establish a republic which is representative democracy that safeguards the rights of all, especially the rights of minorities. The Constitution had borrowed inspirations from ancient Greek & Roman ideas, Native American tribes, and the English Magna Carta. America is a secular country, and was originally intended by its founders to become a society guided by reason & ideas of liberty, equality, and fraternity.
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DCJBeers Featured By Owner May 15, 2014
Very true.
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PropagandaStamps Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015
Not really.
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DCJBeers Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015
There is always some non American getting into Americans business.
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PropagandaStamps Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2015
Oustanding argument but no.
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DCJBeers Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2015
Do you feel better?
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PropagandaStamps Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2015
Yes, thank you for question, cannot say it has any associations with DeviantART, but that doesn't really matter.
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DCJBeers Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2015
Nether does you propaganda, And so I don't have to suffer someone like you again......
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MYthology1 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014
Every time I see a picture of all of them, I'm like: "Guys! I can't tell any of you apart! Get haircuts!"
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SanShine3 Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014
"no matter what you say they are..." that phrase alone should show you that you are trying to construct a reality as you wish it to be.
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2014
Except for Benjamin Franklin and Jefferson. Franklin was a deist while Jefferson was a heretic who believed that Jesus was not the Son of God. Now I'm not trying to contradict you. I'm with you and I support you.
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Master-of-the-Boot Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Technically many were deist, others were atheist. 
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Stevenator-20xx Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They were Deists. They believe in a God who created the universe and dosen't intervene with it and left it to govern on its own perfectly with Laws Of Nature

It did say in the D.O.I. 

"Laws of Nature and of Nature's God"
"Creator"
"Supreme Judge of the world"

They don't believe in the bible and there are quotes by them as evidence they don't believe in Christianity. Including George Washington, Thomas Paine (In his book Age of Reason), Ben Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and lots more.
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LordElthibar Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2013
You can say that again!
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Young-stoaty-chap Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Actually, they were mostly atheists or secular theists. America needs to ge back to its atheist roots.
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Calypsoeclipse Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
The Constitution had borrowed ideas from ancient Rome, Greece, Judeo Christian belief the Magna Carta and houses of parliament in Britain, the Mayflower compact and New England's "town meeting" style of self rule. 
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codyrush Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Student Filmographer
uh...actually the declaration was inspired by the thinkers of the Enlightenment age such as Montesquieu, Paine, and Locke, among many others. It was a confabulation of humanist philosophy; and while the founding fathers were, many of them, monotheists, some were merely theists and some agnostic. The number is still subject to historical speculation, debate and research: but, one thing is clear, they were adamant that their religions and the government should be separate.

""During almost fifteen centuries the legal establishment of Christianity has been upon trial. What has been its fruits?
More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy;ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition,
bigotry, and persecution." James Madison

“Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.” Thomas Jefferson
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Mathpod Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2013  Student Writer
The declaration of independence and the constitution were all inspired by THE REST OF THE WORLD. U.S. roots are in the UK, France, Germany, Spain.
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Waracki99 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2013
Yeah and they also freemason!
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PaladinMagnus Featured By Owner May 8, 2013
FOUNDING FATHERS

No matter what you say they believe in separation of church and state.
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deathknight-kdd Featured By Owner May 29, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Being a Christian, I agree with this. We may have good intentions but we're only human. We abuse it when we're given too much power. Christianity and other religions are personal things, and American stands for that.
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PaladinMagnus Featured By Owner May 31, 2013
Glad to see you understand; more need to understand that the US is secular and has been since it's beginning. Freedom and Liberty is always corrupted when a single ideology rules over the government and land. This country is for any and all who seek freedom; no matter of belief, no matter what culture or skin color. Sooner people understand this the better.
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deathknight-kdd Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Glad to see more people on here with their heads on straight. I understand all this debate, but when it just turns to nasty mudslinging it bugs me. We live in a free country and we can believe in what we want, and while we can argue our ideas' validity, you shouldn't hate or attack someone because of them.
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RednBlackSalamander Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, no, not all of them. Quite a few, but not all. Some were deists and that is indisputable historical fact. Not that it makes any difference, after all, the best thing about the Founders wasn't that they were Christian. It was that they were smart enough to realize that a democratic system of government should be religiously neutral. Hence, the First Amendment and separation of Church and state.
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blackstrike Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2013  Professional Photographer
Ignorance and stupidity at it's worst. Pup, how low can you fall?
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BlameThe1st Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To be fair, most like Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were deists.
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ZGMF-X42S Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
I can believe that. :nod:
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What about rumors of them being masons or that George Washington was revered as some god in the Capital?
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The masons believe in God, and follow the same basic Christian/Catholic principles.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aren't they the illumanati?
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
no, Illuminati are a conspiracy theorist construct to explain coincidence and false assumptions...Masons have nothing to do with any of that stuff trust me.
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So, it's false to assume that someone does worship the devil? I think there are people who actually do have secret handshakes do rituals. How can you account for that? :confused:

I thought Masons work their way to heaven.
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Lots of people work their way to heaven, its called not being an asshole...Im sure there are a number of cults out their claiming to be one thing or another. Masons are not a devil worshiping organization I can guarantee you that...saying the founding fathers were Masons is no different than claiming they were all boy scouts...
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DryBonesReborn Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So why is there a secrecy? Why do they not allow certain faiths to go into their places?
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Athane Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ever thought they are a secret society just to make themselves seem cooler....just trust me, people tend to over think the masons.
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frankteller Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
They supported freedom of, and from, religion. I don't care if they went to church.
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Haze3P0 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Even if they were Christian, they never wanted a Christian nation. They knew about the religious strife and wars in Europe caused by state sponsored religion. We see it even today the consequences of government and religion in one package with the Taliban in Afghanistan and in Iran. The whole reason Puritans came to the New World was to escape that establish Anglican Church in England and make their own established religion. So did the Catholics in Maryland and the Quakers in Pennsylvania. They put it in the Constitution to prevent the government (federal, it would take awhile until that was incorporated to the states) from sponsoring any religion and discriminating against any religion, so that we don't become like England and have a state-sponsored religion that everyone, regardless of belief, pay taxes too.

Personally, I don't care what they believe in. Don't care if they believed in nothing, God, Zeus, or Satan. They helped build this nation that I live in today and put freedoms in our great document to protect us from an overreaching, authoritarian government (before people saying we are living in a authoritarian country. Don't care, that is not the discussion.). That's all I care.
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Kamackazi Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Ohhh praise Satan , and eat a goat for Jesus. God was on Mars that weekend playing golf with Cthulu.
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Ravajava Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Though this be madness, yet there is method in't.
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
I'm curious, do you have anything better to do in your life, than saying strange, random and unnecessary comments on my deviation? Like I said I'm curious.
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Kamackazi Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Yes, I just like to see these strange religious political things you post . I enjoy them . I dont agree , but I dont always read things I agree with . I really mean no harm , but Im a huge fan of the Dada movement , and dont believe in bronze age sky gods.Really if I annoy Ill stop. I just dont understand folks that only wish to preach to the choir. Well back to Hell.
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Balddog4 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013
What is the Dada movement? If you don't mind me asking.
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Kamackazi Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
A reaction among artists after WW1 that eventually evolved into surrealism.
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Ravajava Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, the question remains, why does that matter? Just because the founding fathers were Christian doesn't mean that they didn't want the United States to be secular. It is likely that they saw the fighting between Christians and Protestants in Europe, and not wanting a repeat of that drafted a constitution that aimed to create a secular state. Perhaps they were unaware of the fact that Muslims, Jews and Sikh's would come along later, but hey, I'm sure they would have been fine with them as well.

Either way, from my research, their isn't any historical unanimity as to what their religions where. While we can agree that they were Christian, I think they probably would have adhered to a Christian belief system is opposition to what those Christian arguments were used for. Being men of the enlightenment, extremists for that matter, it is unlikely that they were 'god fearing' strict Christian, but instead held science and rational thought in higher regard.

But I digress. And the end of the day, no one should be debating over what some men with wooden teeth said some 250 years ago. They couldn't predict the huge societal shifts that have happened for better or worse, and I imagine that if they did live today, they would probably have assumed very different world views from that that they held in 1776.
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MrAustin390 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013
Does it really matter whether they were Christian or not?
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